Bookmaker - Payout and BetPoints PLAYERS BEWARE

hazliam

hazliam

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Wondering what is a good strategy to use for winners that are seeing a rate of win greater than the maximum rate of cash out? Other than to use other books, because usually if you can establish a constant rate of win, it is some weakness specific that that one book.

I like the idea of using all the book in that family of books. But many books only carry's 1 book.
 

BigJay

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Congrats on your great win streak!

I can only imagine having the “problem” of having a guaranteed 100k every month for 1.5 years.

You’ve been doing this a long time so sounds like you’re definitely a veteran. That said, I wouldn’t ever go on tilt because you’re pissed at them. Hell I’d never play there again until all my $ was out.
 

caramba

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In my opinion, if you explain the issue with the book in a polite manner, there's a decent chance they will be accomodating. I would not bring up betpoints, just be thankful that they let you play there, betpoints are not for winning customers anyway.
I wouldn't worry about BM going under, but funds could be of better use elsewhere rather than sitting in a book's account for 18 months. I had a similar issue with another book back in 2009. I had a €300k balance with them after a hot streak. I wanted to withdraw, they said I could only withdraw 15k per month or so. I don't recall all the details or how much I pushed, but they did change their minds and let me withdraw my funds. 8 months later they went bankrupt and no-one got any funds back. I lost 1.5k euros which I had left in, but it could have been a LOT more. Again, I wouldn't worry about BM but apart from the cost of not having access to the money, there's the risk of something unexpected happening.
 

sportsbettor5

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In my opinion, if you explain the issue with the book in a polite manner, there's a decent chance they will be accomodating. I would not bring up betpoints, just be thankful that they let you play there, betpoints are not for winning customers anyway.
I wouldn't worry about BM going under, but funds could be of better use elsewhere rather than sitting in a book's account for 18 months. I had a similar issue with another book back in 2009. I had a €300k balance with them after a hot streak. I wanted to withdraw, they said I could only withdraw 15k per month or so. I don't recall all the details or how much I pushed, but they did change their minds and let me withdraw my funds. 8 months later they went bankrupt and no-one got any funds back. I lost 1.5k euros which I had left in, but it could have been a LOT more. Again, I wouldn't worry about BM but apart from the cost of not having access to the money, there's the risk of something unexpected happening.
Damn, what book was that?
 

Donnie D

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Nice run Chief. Not many places for us big guys but BookMaker is the best. Can't argue with the 25k per day. Can't sniff that elsewhere. Books are in the make money business. They know what they are doing. Respect that they follow their policies unlike many where you already would have been limited to peanuts on that kind of run.

Like Haz said withdraw and deposit at the sister sites to make your plays and withdraw only at BookMaker for awhile. Problem not completely solved but you know where you stand and eventually they just allow higher withdraw limits.
 

hazliam

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Just wondering. And THIS IS AGAINST THE RULES OF BOOKMAKER!!!


But if you are putting that kind of money in, wouldn't it make sense to ask a friend to help you start a new account if their info? You can buy a new phone add a new line to the internet. I mean shit you are churning $1000s of points a day.
 

BigJay

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I thought I read a thread across the street about a year ago where someone ran their balance to over $2million or maybe even more at BM and they worked out something with upper management to get paid in full.

seems like maybe he already had a manager there he knew well and dealt with often??

I agree with what others have said. Kindness, not complaining about betpoints, will get you the best chance of getting paid faster.
 

biprob

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I thought I read a thread across the street about a year ago where someone ran their balance to over $2million or maybe even more at BM and they worked out something with upper management to get paid in full.

seems like maybe he already had a manager there he knew well and dealt with often??

I agree with what others have said. Kindness, not complaining about betpoints, will get you the best chance of getting paid faster.
Remember him as well Jay ("Flalah" I believe, had all CHI pro teams in his avi). At 1st I accused him of humble bragging, complaining about the same payout issues as this guy to talk up a high balance. At least he then posted screenshots like this guy to prove he was legit.
 

Ace7550

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25k a day and 100k a month is pretty damn good when compared to other books. That being said, I also agree that withdrawal limits and deposit limits should be the same. I think all books allow bigger deposits then they do withdrawals.
Be happy you didn't run that balance up at another book. Other than BOL, BM is the best in the game.
 

biprob

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Nice run Chief. Not many places for us big guys but BookMaker is the best. Can't argue with the 25k per day. Can't sniff that elsewhere. Books are in the make money business. They know what they are doing. Respect that they follow their policies unlike many where you already would have been limited to peanuts on that kind of run.

Like Haz said withdraw and deposit at the sister sites to make your plays and withdraw only at BookMaker for awhile. Problem not completely solved but you know where you stand and eventually they just allow higher withdraw limits.
 

biprob

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Now this is the type of thread that I could really sink my teeth into since this guy is posting receipts but I can't believe nobody is seeing the big picture!
FACT: he did indeed turn turn a 28K reload into $1.7M (but why do you suppose he started this thread all of a sudden posting his account # with a 0 balance?)🤔

ANSWER: HE LITERALLY LOST IT ALL!!! (so might as well complain about lost betpoints & withdrawal limits now that you have LITERALLY nothing to lose.

Final Tally: $223,829 in reloads & $224,988 in payouts for a net profit of [$1159]
Look I respect any guy who could turn $28K into 170K let alone 1.7M but conveniently leaving out the part when he went bust is like asking, "so besides that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?"

2/6-2/12 (-28,235)
2/13-2/19 (No $ Movement)
2/20-2/26 (+50,000)
2/27-3/5 (+125,000)🥳
3/6-3/12 (N$M)
3/13-3/19 (-149,743)😭
3/20-3/26 (N$M)
3/27-4/2 (+25,000)
4/3 -4/9 (+24,988)
4/10-4/16 (-45,851)
 

biprob

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Congrats on your great win streak!

I can only imagine having the “problem” of having a guaranteed 100k every month for 1.5 years.

You’ve been doing this a long time so sounds like you’re definitely a veteran. That said, I wouldn’t ever go on tilt because you’re pissed at them. Hell I’d never play there again until all my $ was out.
Jay please read my prior post to realize just how duplicitous this guy truly is. I hate to joke about these things but if I was in his position you might have to hide all the sharp objects around my apt. This dude's basically a mini version of Archie Karas (famously turned $50 into 40M in the 90s in Vegas known as "the Run" just to lose it all).
 

sportsbettor5

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ANSWER: HE LITERALLY LOST IT ALL!!! (so might as well complain about lost betpoints & withdrawal limits now that you have LITERALLY nothing to lose.
Uh, he said he lost it all in the OP:

Over the past couple of weeks, I proceeded to lose the funds I had won, which validates your withdrawal model works.
 

biprob

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I tried to edit my final post but it timed out after 5 minutes so I'm gonna conclude with this. I might come across as jealous or a hater to some based on calling him out but since he lost it all what exactly is there to be jealous about? Bottom line is this, he could have posted actual bets that showed how he turned 28K into 1.7M & the ones that eventually wiped him out but instead he comes on here with a convoluted agenda masking his true motive. Apparently he must think no one on here has the reading comprehension to tally up weekly reload/payout history to call him out on his actual bullshit. I'm all about transparency, but if you're willing to "post receipts" at least be up front about what you're true agenda is which this guy clearly wasn't.
 

sportsbettor5

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I tried to edit my final post but it timed out after 5 minutes so I'm gonna conclude with this. I might come across as jealous or a hater to some based on calling him out but since he lost it all what exactly is there to be jealous about? Bottom line is this, he could have posted actual bets that showed how he turned 28K into 1.7M & the ones that eventually wiped him out but instead he comes on here with a convoluted agenda masking his true motive. Apparently he must think no one on here has the reading comprehension to tally up weekly reload/payout history to call him out on his actual bullshit. I'm all about transparency, but if you're willing to "post receipts" at least be up front about what you're true agenda is which this guy clearly wasn't.
The guy says in his original post that he turned $28k into $1.7 million and says he proceeded to lose it all. What is he not being "upfront" about? He doesn't like that BM took away his promotions and had a low withdrawal limit. Seems pretty straightforward.
 

biprob

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Uh, he said he lost it all in the OP:

Over the past couple of weeks, I proceeded to lose the funds I had won, which validates your withdrawal model works.

Uh, he said he lost it all in the OP:

Over the past couple of weeks, I proceeded to lose the funds I had won, which validates your withdrawal model works.
I stand corrected, but talk about burying that in the fine print after he lists the promo offers verbatim. Try to wrap your head around the scope of this thread. He essentially joins BMR after he goes bust losing $1.7M cuz he couldn't handle avoid going on tilt ONLY being allowed to WD 100K/month (which actually makes no sense since he WD 125K in one week but I digress). When posters pointed out those were always in the T & C, he referred to them as "jealous & haters". He has nobody but himself to blame & should consider himself rather fortunate that an offshore book paid him every penny in I'm assuming a timely fashion w/o limiting his action. But now that everything he won went up in smoke, might as well join a gambling forum & post a thread warning his fellow gamblers in arms about the treacherous & duplicitous practices of BM. Gee, nothing self righteous & cringey about that.🤷🏻‍♂️
 

bulldog79

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I agree with Caramba, Hazliam, and sportsbettor5. I realize there may be exceptions about getting a withdrawl limit increased, but Bookmaker does not allow any phone calls due to the pandemic, so you are forced to communicate with Live Chat rep's, which would be the equivalent of having a conversatin with one of my young children.

It needs to go both ways, there is no reason I can deposit $1m in a day, but only withdrawl $25k. I did not have any roll over bonsuses to claim. I simply was looking to take out more then $100 in a month. The simple fact, I could deposit $1.5M in Bitcoin in one day with Bookmaker, but could only withdrawl $25k day / $100k a month, it not reasonable. It would take me 1.5 years to withdrawl those funds, its desinged for them not to lose and I will never play with a book like that again. Also there agents are lying by saying their processors only allow for $25k a day withdrawls via Bitcoin. Anyone that knows anything about BC, knows there are no limits.

I'd been slow paid by books back in the 90's and early 2000's with the hole processors down or only allows X per day/month. That day is long gone. You should be able to withdrawl/depost the same amount period. Bookmaker is scum, period. Good luck to all
 

bulldog79

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I stand corrected, but talk about burying that in the fine print after he lists the promo offers verbatim. Try to wrap your head around the scope of this thread. He essentially joins BMR after he goes bust losing $1.7M cuz he couldn't handle avoid going on tilt ONLY being allowed to WD 100K/month (which actually makes no sense since he WD 125K in one week but I digress). When posters pointed out those were always in the T & C, he referred to them as "jealous & haters". He has nobody but himself to blame & should consider himself rather fortunate that an offshore book paid him every penny in I'm assuming a timely fashion w/o limiting his action. But now that everything he won went up in smoke, might as well join a gambling forum & post a thread warning his fellow gamblers in arms about the treacherous & duplicitous practices of BM. Gee, nothing self righteous & cringey about that.🤷🏻‍♂️
For the record, it's $100k per calendar month, meaning if you take out $50K (which I did) the end of Feb, it resets March 1st.

Also, I've had issues with sportsbooks before, not getting paid etc. and have posted in other forums. Recently, going up a substaintale size and dealing with their customer service for over a month trying to find some middle ground, meanwhile wagering at least $100-400k per day in games (my fault, I know and not blaming anyone for this aspect). I googled issues with Bookmaker, which lead me to this forum. I think it's an issue with the industry and they bend us the consumer over, but we take it, so good for them.

As a stated above, It needs to go both ways, there is no reason I can deposit $1m in a day, but only withdrawl $25k. I did not have any roll over bonsuses to claim. I simply was looking to take out more then $100 in a month. The simple fact, I could deposit $1.5M in Bitcoin in one day with Bookmaker, but could only withdrawl $25k day / $100k a month, it not reasonable. It would take me 1.5 years to withdrawl those funds, its desinged for them not to lose and I will never play with a book like that again. Also there agents are lying by saying their processors only allow for $25k a day withdrawls via Bitcoin. Anyone that knows anything about BC, knows there are no limits.

My respose to KSwhatever, was exactly that, thanks Captain obvious, I reconginze they were in the T & C and even stated it in my email to BM. I made my point and you can shame me all you want via an email/IM. Whatever makes you feel better. Cheers brotha

Self rightous, come on man, seriously? I'm posting this to spread awarness that these offshore sportsbooks have rule in place that are one sided, and have been for some time, but that's on players for accepting those terms. For the record I'm done with it,
 
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