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  • kabini
    started a topic Betvictor Scam! Full Proof

    Betvictor Scam! Full Proof

    Hi Everyone,

    I already post betvictor cheating.
    http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/betvictor-cheat-me-they-dont-pay-my-winings/570


    Here the More proof.

    http://postimg.org/image/lb3x6axgd

    http://postimg.org/image/t54irp599


    Still they don't respond me, and they don't wish to pay my balance.

    Please Be aware from them.

  • yourmum
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    Originally posted by kabini

    yourmum wrote:

    Would depend on what type of fraud they were claiming. A full refund may occur but under certain circumstances.



    First you should know, betvictor not like green listed website, they are fraud website like red listed website.


    Can anyone say? could you able to made 200% to 300% profit in betvictor without account closing? anyone have like that account?


    Definitely 100% not possible..


    Because betvictor one of the big fraud website. they closing accounts immediately if you made profit.


    Everyone thinking they process the payout, But true is they accept losers and they ignore winners.


    Then how can you betvictor is reputable website?

    I don't see what this has to do with what I said. I was answering your previous question.

    Anyway in regards to this latest post, there are a variety of reasons why bookmakers may close your account, and despite what you may think it generally has nothing to do with profit.

    It mostly depends on betting patterns, which includes a range of different things.

    If you make value bets then a bookmaker will limit you or close your account. This is regardless of whether you win or lose. If you are constantly beating the SP of your betting selection, the bookie will see you as a sharp player and potentially as an unprofitable customer. I actually had my bet victor account closed within a week for constantly beating SP on horses. Although only 1 of the 10 bets I placed was a winner - because I was taking odds that were too good, I was seen as a potential risk.

    Another common reason is players who only bet on promotional offers. Usually they will ban you from promotions, but it's not uncommon for accounts to be limited or closed.

    They didn't close your account because you made profit. They closed it because they suspect you of fraud. This could be for a variety of reasons also.

    Stop whinging about the same crap and DO something. I'm not the only one to tell you this!

    *PHONE BET VICTOR
    *EMAIL THEIR COMPLAINTS TEAM ON THE ADDRESS LISTED IN SECTION 18
    *CONTACT THE RELEVANT GAMING COMMISSION
    *CONTACT IBAS
    *GO TO SPORTSBOOKREVIEW.COM AND FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THEM.

    You appear to have done nothing apart from contact live chat + NewBMR, the second of which aren't particularly active anymore.

    As you seem reluctant to listen to the advice about people / companies you should contact, you are just making yourself appear guilty as if you know your complaint won't get anywhere and you'll be found out.

    Plenty of people in the past have used forums like this to try and bully bookmakers into paying out their fraudulent claims. They come on places like this, whinge and moan about the bookie being a cheat / thief and try to warn players away. This is an old tactic that probably worked when online bookies first started, but not anymore.

    Please just go through the list I posted of who to contact and do something about it. Keep contacting them every few days until you get a response

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  • kabini
    replied
    Originally posted by yourmum

    Would depend on what type of fraud they were claiming. A full refund may occur but under certain circumstances.


    First you should know, betvictor not like green listed website, they are fraud website like red listed website.

    Can anyone say? could you able to made 200% to 300% profit in betvictor without account closing? anyone have like that account?

    Definitely 100% not possible..

    Because betvictor one of the big fraud website. they closing accounts immediately if you made profit.

    Everyone thinking they process the payout, But true is they accept losers and they ignore winners.

    Then how can you betvictor is reputable website?

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  • yourmum
    replied
    Would depend on what type of fraud they were claiming. A full refund may occur but under certain circumstances.

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  • quincunx
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    They are entitled to take the position that the losses were genuine and the winnings were somehow fraudulent,but they would hopefully have to somehow justify that.

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  • kabini
    replied
    Originally posted by yourmum

    Kabini - If newbmr haven't contacted you about this, then you will have to contact IBAS

    Still they don't reach me. Am just waiting.


    and i want to ask everyone!!!

    First i want to ask you, they said my account is fraudulent account. i did fraudulent activity.

    SO they closed my account and they refund my deposit amount only. And hold my winnings.

    IF Like happened in my account , I made 5000GBP deposit and i lost 3000GBP in my account.

    Only 2000GBP balance, now what they will do?

    Can they refund my full deposit ? or only my balance?

    Please confirm.

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  • yourmum
    replied
    Kabini - If newbmr haven't contacted you about this, then you will have to contact IBAS

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  • yourmum
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    Hopefully it's not a halley's comet type visit!!!!!!

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  • quincunx
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    NewBMR seem to have resurfaced - see the main page.Hurray !

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  • kabini
    replied
    Originally posted by yourmum

    Kabini - are you sure they haven't told you why they blocked or closed your account?? As in their terms (11.3) it says:


    "(c) we shall address the issue that has given rise to Your Account suspension/closure with a view to resolving it as soon as reasonably practicable so that Your Account can, as appropriate, either be re-activated or closed."



    I sent many emails, they said only i did fraudulent activity.

    I asked them what is my fraudulent but they don't said.


    ALso am not well speak in english, that's why i don't call them.


    If they haven't given you a reason, then they have broken their own terms. In which case I would contact the email address in section 18 of their terms and also go to IBAS. Details for IBAS are also in section 18, which I did paste on here for your benefit.

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  • yourmum
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    Kabini - are you sure they haven't told you why they blocked or closed your account?? As in their terms (11.3) it says:

    "(c) we shall address the issue that has given rise to Your Account suspension/closure with a view to resolving it as soon as reasonably practicable so that Your Account can, as appropriate, either be re-activated or closed."

    If they haven't given you a reason, then they have broken their own terms. In which case I would contact the email address in section 18 of their terms and also go to IBAS. Details for IBAS are also in section 18, which I did paste on here for your benefit.

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  • yourmum
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    Have you tried the contact methods stated in section 18 of the terms?
    Have you tried phoning bet victor??

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  • quincunx
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    I suppose that they may not want to talk,but 'phone and ask them how they have 'addressed the issue' and which condition it is that they claim that you have breached.

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  • kabini
    replied
    Originally posted by yourmum

    As per the email bet victor sent to you, they claim you have violated terms within section 11, which are:


    11. SUSPENSION AND CLOSURE OF ACCOUNT BY US

    11.1 BetVictor reserves the right to suspend or close Your Account at any time and for any reason, including but not limited to the circumstances set out in the Terms and Conditions.



    11.2 Where You are in breach of Terms and Conditions, we may, prior to any suspension or termination of Your Account notify You (using Your Contact Details) that You are in breach, requiring You to stop the relevant act or failure to act, and/or requiring You to put right an act or fault on your part; and warning You of our intended action if You do not do so, provided always that such notification shall not be a pre-condition to any suspension or termination of Your Account.

    11.3 Upon the suspension and/or closure of Your Account for any reason:

    (a) no activity shall be permitted (including deposits, withdrawals, betting or gaming) until the date upon which it is re-activated by us;

    (b) no bonuses or contingent winnings will be credited to Your Account; and

    (c) we shall address the issue that has given rise to Your Account suspension/closure with a view to resolving it as soon as reasonably practicable so that Your Account can, as appropriate, either be re-activated or closed.

    11.4 Notwithstanding the above, if we are unable to confirm that You are the Relevant Age then we may suspend Your Account until such time as we are able to confirm that You are the Relevant Age. If You are subsequently proven to have been under the Relevant Age at the time You made any gambling or gaming transactions with us, then:

    11.4.1 Your Account will be closed;

    11.4.2 all transactions made whilst You were underage will be made void, and all related funds deposited by You will be returned to the payment method used for the deposit of such funds, wherever practicable; and

    11.4.3 any winnings which You have accrued during such time when You were under the Relevant Age will be forfeited by You and may be deducted from the amount of any deposit returned under paragraph 11.4.2. You will return to us on demand any such funds which have been withdrawn from Your Account.

    11.4.4 For the avoidance of doubt, underage gambling is not acceptable and such cases will be reported to the relevant Gambling Commission or other relevant authority for your jurisdiction who may refer the matter to your local prosecution authorities

    11.5 Notwithstanding the above, we reserve the right to close any Duplicate Account (but shall not be obliged to do so). If we close a Duplicate Account:

    11.5.1 all bonuses, free bets and winnings accrued from such bonuses and free bets obtained using that Duplicate Account will be void and forfeited by You;

    11.5.2 we may, at our entire discretion, void all winnings and refund all deposits (less amounts in respect of void winnings and transactional costs incurred) made in respect of that Duplicate Account and, to the extent not recovered by us from the relevant Duplicate Account, any amounts to be refunded to us by You in respect of a Duplicate Account may be recovered by us directly from any other of Your Accounts (including any other Duplicate Account); or

    11.5.3 we may, at our entire discretion, allow usage of the Duplicate Account to be deemed valid in which case all losses and stakes placed by or for You through the Duplicate Account shall be retained by us.

    11.6 If you do not use your account for betting or gaming for a period of at least three hundred and ninety six (396) consecutive days then it will be deemed an "Inactive Account". All Inactive Accounts will incur an Inactive Account Fee as set out below. We will notify you by email when your account becomes an Inactive Account.

    11.6.1 If you fail to re-activate your account, the monthly charge will be deducted twenty eight (28) days after the notification email is sent, and on the same date on each month thereafter that it remains inactive. The monthly charge that will be applied to an inactive account is 5% of the value of the dormant balance or a monthly charge of £/€5, whichever is the greater.

    11.6.2 Should your account balance be less than any Inactive Account Fee to be deducted; only the available balance in your account will be taken.

    11.6.3 If and when your account balance reaches zero (0), no further Inactive Account fees will be taken.

    11.6.4 We reserve the right to then close any Inactive Account once the balance has been reduced to zero.

    11.6.5 In the event of a reactivation of your Inactive Account, any reimbursements of administration fees are at the sole discretion of BetVictor and BetVictor will not enter into any correspondence in this regard.

    11.7 BetVictor reserves the right to withhold the funds in your account from you pending the determination of any investigation (including any relevant external investigation) where:

    11.7.1 We suspect you have acted in breach of these Terms and Conditions or any other agreement relevant to your activities on our site, including where we suspect the account has been linked with Prohibited or Fraudulent Activity or dishonest activity;

    11.7.2 We withhold the funds in your account as required by law or to comply with any advice, request or instruction from any governmental, regulatory or enforcement authority.


    Upon this rules they can close any account, its not depend with genuine or fraudulent account.


    Hey Yourmum,
    i lost my funds from my side only, not in your pocket.
    If you know am fraudulent just prove here.
    Don't guess much imagination

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  • kabini
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    Originally posted by yourmum

    kabini wrote:


    yourmum wrote:


    kabini wrote:


    quincunx wrote:


    I have been informed that SBR own NewBMR. SBR/NewBMR,if you are reading this,what we really need to know is that you are prepared to give complaints against ALL bookmakers a fair hearing - even those who you like and consider to be reputable.If that is in fact the case,please could you mediate in this dispute and tell us how it turns out ?



    Hello quinx,


    I post my problem ok. if betvictor very reputable then why the hold my winnings.


    if am cheater just tell me what i cheat.


    i can say i can accept any type of verification but they don't mind.


    Only they hold my winnings.



    What quincunx has stated is correct. Bookies or any other business will not divulge any information regarding any type of fraud to the individual suspected as it may give them information which they can use to beat the casino security in the future.


    They will provide certain info to a 3rd party mediator, but they in turn can not divulge any further information to you other than agreeing or disagreeing to the evidence put forward.


    The biggest problem for you kabini is that this is a well established and reliable bookmaker, so they must have enough evidence to make this claim against you and thus void your winnings and close your account. If was was a small bookie, they could be trying to blag it, but I can't see bet victor doing this to a customer.



    Hi,


    If they said my bets are void i just leave it from them.


    First you should know.


    First up all i verified my account before my deposit.

    then i made 1499GBP deposit, after that i made 1690GBP profit same day.


    then i request 1500GBP withdraw on the same day.

    Next day i got another verification email from them. They ask me id and bill.


    so i submitted all verification documents again. But suddenly they close my account. They said again my account under review.


    After some other days passed they said no funds can withdraw from my account.


    i just contacted many times but no response.


    6 days passed, then i sent email to them to at-least refund my deposit.

    Then they immediately refund my deposit. and they still said i had remaining 1690GBP.

    They don't void any bets.


    Thats why i asking them to sent my 1690GBP balance.


    If i made small profit then they definitely process my withdraw.


    If you don't believe me, soon most of people lost the winnings in bet-victor.


    Wait and Watch.



    What is the actual truth behind this complaint???? Something isn't right.


    Your very first post on the other thread says you requested a withdrawal but they emailed you saying your account is closed and they refunded your deposits of £1499.


    Now you are saying you requested a withdrawal of £1500 and received nothing, so requested a refund of your deposits.


    Sorry to say, but this just sounds more and more dodgy as you complain further.


    If you requested a refund on your deposits then you have no complaint as these have been received. You've basically admitted to the fraud / fraudulent activity that bet victor have accused you of

    Hey first you should what i said okay.

    I said once i made profit i requested 1500gbp withdraw okay.

    Then only they asking second verification. Once i sent further documents they closed my account and hold my all funds.

    Then only i requested to betvictor at-least refund my deposit. so they refund my deposit next day.

    But still they hold my winnings. Thats the issue.

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