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alan

alan

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On the 3rd of August 2017, i placed a bet of 870 euros on the match Marbella vs Granada (Esp), i placed my bet when the score was 0-1 and Granada was winning. I placed my bet on over 3.5 goals on the odd of 2.53 on Pinnacle.

They accepted the bet and the match keep going. The match ended 0-4 and Granada won, the 4th goal was scored on the 93rd minute.

After about 5 hours, my bet on Pinnacle has not been resolved and i contacted them, they informed me that my bet was cancelled.

I have asked why the bet was cancelled after the game and they told me that it was because the match was supposed to start at 20.30 but it started at 20.03. This i have been in dispute with pinnacle since they were showing live feeds on the same event even if it started at different times.

Other bookmakers had similar odds though pinnacle odd was higher, The higest in asian bookies was 2.3.

i compared the odds of other bookies at same time and more of then had the odd at 2.3. I Have since asked Pinnacle to settle my bet at the present odds, but they have refused.

can you please help me
 

quincunx

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Alan,what I think Pinnacle are saying is that the 2.53 was a pre-match quote,not a live betting quote based on the 0 -1 scoreline.Was it shown as a live quote on their website ? That ought to have been clear from which page you clicked on to get to it,as well as the display on that page.Also,live quotes on overs will trend upwards as time goes by,and be adjusted sharply downwards when a goal is scored.
 

alan

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Hey,

i placed the best from premiumtrading platform, premium trading have asked me to contact pinnacle directly, if not i went through them but it was surprise to me that there have been action on th match, it was 0-1 score already and yet they said it is pre match odd
 

quincunx

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I see.So presumably Premium Tradings had it as a live match - which it was - but Pinnacle's pre-match odds showed up there when they should not have done.The problem revolves around Pinnacle's feed to Premium Tradings,and could be the fault of either or both.You need to ask Premium Tradings to tell you how that happened and whose fault it was - since you have no way of knowing - instead of just passing the buck !
N.B. If you are from a country prohibited by Pinnacle,and you wind up admitting that,then that could cause problems.
 

alan

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hello, i am from sweden and i dont think pinnacle is prohibited here.

i spoke to premiumtrading about it and they told me they cannot help me since pinnacle has decided it was final my bet was cancelled. i was asked to contact pinnacle directly.

what upset me the most is that few minutes later i placed an opposite bet on the other asian bookies which was accepted and i lost. premium trading wont accept blame for this since they said they are feeding what pinnacle was feeding and pinnacle is claiming it was pre match odd even when the result was 0-1 and other bookies had almost same odds.

i have asked pinnacle to settle my bet at a less odd of 2 or 2.1 that would be better for me that complete cancel
 

quincunx

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Was there an apparent overbroke book and arb between the two sets of odds ? If so,that should have raised alarm bells.
Are Premium Tradings saying that the feed from Pinnacle was supposed to be live/in-play odds feed as opposed to pre-match feed ? If they say that you have a case to put to Pinnacle - maybe you will still need the help of BMR.If they don't say that then it should not have appeared on their live odds display and Premium Tradings are to blame.You need Premium Tradings to clarify that one way or the other.
 

alan

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The truth is that was an arb between the asians and betfair, betfair also is included in premiumtrading and most times if you are fast you can find little margin arbs in the same tool between this bookies, asian and betfair.

Premium trading also works this way that it alerts you on the best odd offer, actually i wanted to place my bet on maxbet at 2.3 but then it alerts on odd of 2.54 at pinnacle, i wasnt considering it a wrong since the difference is not much and so i went for pinnacle besides pinnacle has live even score.

i have been in dispute with premiumtrading also about this because the money i lost over 1200 euros was placed in the same tool and that was not voided but they are claiming not to be responsible for any wrong with the bookie since they are just middle men.
 

quincunx

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Thanks for the info and explanation,Alan.It is true that Premium Tradings are middle men for the bets themselves,but the betting platform and tools that they provide are theirs.It was their platform that told you the 2.54 was a live price.Since it wasn't a live price,and you weren't to know that at the time,the fault for that wrong information,that has cost you money,must lie somewhere between Premium Tradings and Pinnacle.
So now Premium Tradings are claiming that it was Pinnacle's fault,but just saying that is not enough for you to claim your winnings off Pinnacle.You need the details of where the feed came from - whether it was from a page that was supposed to have live betting,or one that was supposed to have pre-match betting.You need to know exactly how the mistake in the display happened.
 

alan

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Thank you quincunx,

i have argued with premium trading over and over and over about this and they are always ending up saying they cant do anything and it is not their fault. i have also reported the case to the malta gambing commission but they refered me to curaco and that i dont know how to report more.

i really want to get my money back
 

alan

alan

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yes when the event is pre match, you will see it as TODAYS market, when it is in play, you will see it as RUNNING MATCHES. i placed it on the running market and even premiumtrading confirmed that.

the score was 0-1 that also means it was running and not pre match
 

quincunx

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Sorry,Alan,let me explain.Pinnacle's position is that they did nothing wrong - they offered pre-match betting up until the scheduled kick-off time,and it is not their fault that the game kicked off early.In order to get them to pay out on the bet,you need to prove that Pinnacle did do something wrong,and the only thing that I can think of that they might have done wrong is to provide pre-match odds feed to a page that was intended for in-running betting.
 

alan

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Thank you quincunx,

i do not know how to go about this more but i am sure that on the premiumtrading platform where i placed the bet, it was on the page for in play matches because the other bookies are listed on that page or line too with in play odds.
 

quincunx

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On their own website,Pinnacle have separate pages for pre-match quotes and live quotes.Since the quote you took was on Premium Tradings live/in-play page,and since it turned out to have been a pre-match quote,you need to ask Premium Tradings what precautions [if any] they took to to make sure their in-running quotes were sourced from live/in-play pages as opposed to pre-match pages.That is the only way that I can think of of finding out whose fault the mistake was.
It might also be worth checking that the game did kick off early.I was unable to do that,but you might have a friend who knows how to.
 
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