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eddiewilson

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Slow down there, Eddie. There is a process. If you hate this place so much, then be my guest, the door is wide open.
So there is a process where a book YOU support takes a bet, accepts a bet, books a bet, but then says that exact amount it accepted exceeds their payout max?? The "glitch" is with your integrity. Do the right thing. Or you're just another scam book portal.
 

cooldude

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So there is a process where a book YOU support takes a bet, accepts a bet, books a bet, but then says that exact amount it accepted exceeds their payout max?? The "glitch" is with your integrity. Do the right thing. Or you're just another scam book portal.
Pretty sure BMR said first step was to lower them a whole rating letter or point, and lets see if this causes book to do right thing? or you think player more likely to be paid if BMR black lists them and sinks them ? whats better for the player here?
 

flyingillini

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This is a black eye on the industry because even though WagerWeb isn't affiliated with other books it will make players think twice of betting serious coin or how JDS got screwed. It is not a good look and JDS needs to be paid in full. He is getting screwed but lets hope he can get that 50k out without any hassle. In reality, they could say "screw" this guy and not pay at all. In reality there is nothing anyone can do if they want to screw us. Lets all root for JDS here. He deserves the full amount.
 

sharpsquare

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fucking disgusting and sadly over the years not the first time seeing something like this. I know a lot of people hate the idea of using US legal books even when available because of a couple of reasons why offshore is still even viable but for me it's not even close I'll take the legal book every time.

Sorry to hear about this and hopefully this post and the outrage it brings with it help's in some form or fashion.
 

JDS

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fucking disgusting and sadly over the years not the first time seeing something like this. I know a lot of people hate the idea of using US legal books even when available because of a couple of reasons why offshore is still even viable but for me it's not even close I'll take the legal book every time.

Sorry to hear about this and hopefully this post and the outrage it brings with it help's in some form or fashion.
Yeah this thread getting a lot of views the last 24 hours which I love to see.
 

flyingillini

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JDS needs the support of all forums combined. This could also be the straw that brings all the forums together. Forums got divided years back and posters branched off from SBR, it would be great for posters come together to help a poster in need here. Someone out there surely knows Larry personally and can get this job done. Come on community, do the right thing here and make this happen for JDS, he deserves to be paid in full here.
 
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rdalert447

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JDS needs the support of all forums combined. This could also be the straw that brings all the forums together. Forums got divided years back and posters branched off from SBR, it would be great for posters come together to help a poster in need here. Someone out there surely knows Larry personally and can get this job done. Come on community, do the right thing here and make this happen for JDS, he deserves to be paid in full here.
I posted about it in another forum.
 

flyingillini

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I’m glad this happen online and not in person with a local, because metaphorically in that moment when I knew they were gonna steal from me. I might’ve done something very drastic and regretful to that person.
They wouldn't do it in person, that is the thing. I wonder if Larry is in the same circle as WagerChiefShawn and Jon Cheers?
 

djefferis

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Most of their players probably never go to these forums and what had have ones will never reach them. There are way more players that never come to rheee forums than do.

I agree with this - but in general the players who bring the money ARE on these forums (or at least aware of them when something goes wrong.

There are plenty of $25-50 level players who just googled “online sportsbook” and got Bovada/BetUS or BetOnline - and never heard/visited a forum or social media group.

But serious gamblers still do follow these forums - as well as people old enough to remember when forums were a major source of info (the fact SBR still exist proves that). Forums now are kinda like newspapers - they are viewed as “out of date” by the general public - but remember the Wall Street Journal still sells well - as do several other specialty newspapers - because the people who write for them cover topics not covered elsewhere.

This is the same reason forums still matter - they represent a place to discuss that which is not readily discussed elsewhere. I mean Reddit/FB groups are fine for some things - but for industry news/sharing picks - things get lost in a ton of troll posting quickly. Forums allow a highly concentrated sharing of info without the junk. Even JJs high volume of post at least contain an appropriate amount of relevant info to make this forum a worthwhile read.

If this forum didn’t exist - we’d be at the mercy of 30 cent line dealing “licensed” books in the US or scam bonus books like Oddsmaker. Having it allows access to options.

As to forum ratings - again - your as likely to find a completely honest politician as you are a completely honest forum rating. BMR dropped WagerWeb to 8.5 - is that appropriate- yes and no.

Yes because they continue to pay (slowly) - including a player they cheated. That’s 90% of the rating basis for a sportsbook in 2024 - do they pay.

No because they violated a basic rule of gambling - if you take the bet - you owe the result. 100% if a player bet and LOST a parlay that paid over $50k - WagerWeb would have laughed in their face when asked to refund the bet as it violated their “rules”. But when you refuse to pay the full payout - you’re setting a double standard. Either the bets valid or it isn’t - and if it isn’t - not only do you owe the man the apportionment that exceeded the allowable limit - you owe any prior losing wagers that exceeded this amount to him and to all players. Doubtful they want to open that can of worms though - so just pay what is owed.
 
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djefferis

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They wouldn't do it in person, that is the thing. I wonder if Larry is in the same circle as WagerChiefShawn and Jon Cheers?

Different circles here - Jon ran a million dollar con - WW ran a $39k con.

It’s like comparing a Mexican drug lord to your neighborhood crack dealer or the CEO of Enron to the local church secretary who stole 20k from the treasury. One fooled everyone and was super sneaky about it until it all blew up - the other screwed up and tried to make up a rule explaining his theft.
 

flyingillini

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I agree with this - but in general the players who bring the money ARE on these forums (or at least aware of them when something goes wrong.

There are plenty of $25-50 level players who just googled “online sportsbook” and got Bovada/BetUS or BetOnline - and never heard/visited a forum or social media group.

But serious gamblers still do follow these forums - as well as people old enough to remember when forums were a major source of info (the fact SBR still exist proves that). Forums now are kinda like newspapers - they are viewed as “out of date” by the general public - but remember the Wall Street Journal still sells well - as do several other specialty newspapers - because the people who write for them cover topics not covered elsewhere.

This is the same reason forums still matter - they represent a place to discuss that which is not readily discussed elsewhere. I mean Reddit/FB groups are fine for some things - but for industry news/sharing picks - things get lost in a ton of troll posting quickly. Forums allow a highly concentrated sharing of info without the junk. Even JJs high volume of post at least contain an appropriate amount of relevant info to make this forum a worthwhile read.

If this forum didn’t exist - we’d be at the mercy of 30 cent line dealing “licensed” books in the US or scam bonus books like Oddsmaker. Having it allows access to options.

As to forum ratings - again - your as likely to find a completely honest politician as you are a completely honest forum rating. BMR dropped WagerWeb to 8.5 - is that appropriate- yes and no.

Yes because they continue to pay (slowly) - including a player they cheated. That’s 90% of the rating basis for a sportsbook in 2024 - do they pay.

No because they violated a basic rule of gambling - if you take the bet - you owe the result. 100% if a player bet and LOST a parlay that paid over $50k - WagerWeb would have laughed in their face when asked to refund the bet as it violated their “rules”. But when you refuse to pay the full payout - you’re setting a double standard. Either the bets valid or it isn’t - and if it isn’t - not only do you owe the man the apportionment that exceeded the allowable limit - you owe any prior losing wagers that exceeded this amount to him and to all players. Doubtful they want to open that can of worms though - so just pay what is owed.
I agree with this and great write up. But what I am also trying to convery, we don't know for sure that there are big players out there that don't use these forums. There is really no way for us to know. One would that they do but no way for us to know. I know some guys that lose tens of thousands of dollars with US based books that have no idea about offshore or about these forums. Guys I have known for years. I have explained offshore to them and these forums and they were not interested. They just fund books in their state and play. They keep it simple for themselves, they aren't into dicussing the industry or books. i want to agree with you here but not sure really know for sure. But keep writing your great posts! I am a fan.
 

flyingillini

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Different circles here - Jon ran a million dollar con - WW ran a $39k con.

It’s like comparing a Mexican drug lord to your neighborhood crack dealer or the CEO of Enron to the local church secretary who stole 20k from the treasury. One fooled everyone and was super sneaky about it until it all blew up - the other screwed up and tried to make up a rule explaining his theft.
But Jon was a pawn in the game, he was not the head of the operation.
 
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