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jeffro

jeffro

Joined
May 14, 2024
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Anyone get an e-mail invite to "The Bettors Den"? Text says that they are a spinoff from a "Sportsbook you used to rave about" which, I'm thinking, means 5-Dimes. Cannot find any info on this and only link is to sign-up form. Anyone know about this?
Sorry to be a little late to this party but I can answer a lot of questions posted on this forum about BettorsDen. I’ve had an account with them now for about three months. So far, my experience has had some good, bad and ugly. I was poached by a really nice guy at BettorsDen named Dave in sales & customer service. I received the same emails that many of you got. At first, I ignored them thinking it was just another lousy offshore sports book, but they had my contact information and became more aggressive and started calling me, so I responded to them we spoke at length about this new operation. Honestly, I had never found something that suited my style since 5Dimes exited the market, so I was very interested in hearing what they had to offer. They came right out and told me they are basically the same people that ran 5Dimes except with new ownership.

Initially, 5Dimes exited the marketplace because Tony’s wife Laura Varela made a deal with the US Government and paid them $47 million to make peace. She exited the US marketplace because she thought by paying the US Government all that money, they would in turn allow her to become a legal sportsbook operation and then she could start operating once again as she obtained the proper licenses.

Little did she know, the US government had no intentions of allowing her to become a legal entity with US access and after she spent millions more trying to get all the approvals and licenses, she gave up and quit in disgust.

The ownership of this group must have bought the 5Dimes infrastructure from Laura Varela along with the huge former players contact list that came along with it. They knew exactly who I was because I had been with 5Dimes for many, many, years and had even come to know Tony a little better than the average degenerative gambler. He may have been a real asshole to some but for some reason, I got along with the guy.

These new people slowly started reaching out to former players towards the end of 2023 but became more aggressive when they didn’t get the results they were expecting. They were trying to be very low key at first and I’m sure they had their reasons why. Most likely it’s because they are still unregulated and operating illegally. If legal wagering hadn’t blown up to what it has become in the U.S., I’m sure the Feds would be trying to chase them down just like before. I believe over 90% of the original 5Dimes business came from US based account holders.

The people at BettorsDen are made up almost entirely of all the old employees from 5Dimes but with new backers. The woman in charge is named Lynda C. who is the Customer Service Manager. I am sure there are others much higher than her but not accessible and probably in the ownership group.

I, like many of you, found the BettorsDen wagering options very limited at first and are still missing the boat on numerous things but they have been slowly improving each week. The web site needs many adjustments but if you use the Dynamic Version when putting together parlays, you will find it much easier to navigate but that option is also more limited because you can’t buy down or up any spreads using this version.

Even though they are limited, if you like combining a lot of different sports to build parlays, they offer more than most anyone else. Even though they say they are constantly updating and adding lines 24/7, they are not. Unfortunately, the wagering department isn’t very competent yet and many things that should be posted don’t get posted in time or ever.

Now the bad. If you ever were a player with 5Dimes before Bitcoin existed and funded your accounts using credit cards, you are familiar with the constant credit card fraud that occurred there. It took Tony years to figure out how to get it stopped.

I can’t tell you how many cards I burned through over the years, but the good thing was, it forced me to understand and start using Bitcoin. Because of that situation and before I truly understood bitcoin, whenever I wagered with any offshore sportsbook, I designated a credit card that was not used with anyone else or for any other purposes. This way, if I experience fraud, I know exactly where it occurred. Unfortunately, the one card I used to fund my BettorsDen account, became compromised within 30 days of me opening the account. They are very aware of it because I gave them more shit than they wanted to hear and like 5Dimes, tried denying it originated on their end. After giving them my credit card statements for the previous 4 months to prove I didn’t use the card elsewhere, (which by the way, they paid me to give to them) they realized it was a result of something on their end but since I now only use Bitcoin, nothing more has been said about it since it occurred. They obviously don’t want the stigma to haunt them at this critical point of starting up, so I got their attention quickly and made it quite clear where the fraud occurred. It was either from someone on the inside at this operation who was a former 5Dimes employee or the merchant services provider they use. If they tell you everything is encrypted and secure, I can tell you firsthand, that is not!

I haven’t switched to them or begun to use them exclusively since they aren’t fully functional and since the credit card fraud occurred, so I have proceeded with caution. I hope this gives you all a little more insight than what you might have already heard or been told elsewhere. Good Luck!!!
 

thefix

thefix

Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
246
Sorry to be a little late to this party but I can answer a lot of questions posted on this forum about BettorsDen. I’ve had an account with them now for about three months. So far, my experience has had some good, bad and ugly. I was poached by a really nice guy at BettorsDen named Dave in sales & customer service. I received the same emails that many of you got. At first, I ignored them thinking it was just another lousy offshore sports book, but they had my contact information and became more aggressive and started calling me, so I responded to them we spoke at length about this new operation. Honestly, I had never found something that suited my style since 5Dimes exited the market, so I was very interested in hearing what they had to offer. They came right out and told me they are basically the same people that ran 5Dimes except with new ownership.

Initially, 5Dimes exited the marketplace because Tony’s wife Laura Varela made a deal with the US Government and paid them $47 million to make peace. She exited the US marketplace because she thought by paying the US Government all that money, they would in turn allow her to become a legal sportsbook operation and then she could start operating once again as she obtained the proper licenses.

Little did she know, the US government had no intentions of allowing her to become a legal entity with US access and after she spent millions more trying to get all the approvals and licenses, she gave up and quit in disgust.

The ownership of this group must have bought the 5Dimes infrastructure from Laura Varela along with the huge former players contact list that came along with it. They knew exactly who I was because I had been with 5Dimes for many, many, years and had even come to know Tony a little better than the average degenerative gambler. He may have been a real asshole to some but for some reason, I got along with the guy.

These new people slowly started reaching out to former players towards the end of 2023 but became more aggressive when they didn’t get the results they were expecting. They were trying to be very low key at first and I’m sure they had their reasons why. Most likely it’s because they are still unregulated and operating illegally. If legal wagering hadn’t blown up to what it has become in the U.S., I’m sure the Feds would be trying to chase them down just like before. I believe over 90% of the original 5Dimes business came from US based account holders.

The people at BettorsDen are made up almost entirely of all the old employees from 5Dimes but with new backers. The woman in charge is named Lynda C. who is the Customer Service Manager. I am sure there are others much higher than her but not accessible and probably in the ownership group.

I, like many of you, found the BettorsDen wagering options very limited at first and are still missing the boat on numerous things but they have been slowly improving each week. The web site needs many adjustments but if you use the Dynamic Version when putting together parlays, you will find it much easier to navigate but that option is also more limited because you can’t buy down or up any spreads using this version.

Even though they are limited, if you like combining a lot of different sports to build parlays, they offer more than most anyone else. Even though they say they are constantly updating and adding lines 24/7, they are not. Unfortunately, the wagering department isn’t very competent yet and many things that should be posted don’t get posted in time or ever.

Now the bad. If you ever were a player with 5Dimes before Bitcoin existed and funded your accounts using credit cards, you are familiar with the constant credit card fraud that occurred there. It took Tony years to figure out how to get it stopped.

I can’t tell you how many cards I burned through over the years, but the good thing was, it forced me to understand and start using Bitcoin. Because of that situation and before I truly understood bitcoin, whenever I wagered with any offshore sportsbook, I designated a credit card that was not used with anyone else or for any other purposes. This way, if I experience fraud, I know exactly where it occurred. Unfortunately, the one card I used to fund my BettorsDen account, became compromised within 30 days of me opening the account. They are very aware of it because I gave them more shit than they wanted to hear and like 5Dimes, tried denying it originated on their end. After giving them my credit card statements for the previous 4 months to prove I didn’t use the card elsewhere, (which by the way, they paid me to give to them) they realized it was a result of something on their end but since I now only use Bitcoin, nothing more has been said about it since it occurred. They obviously don’t want the stigma to haunt them at this critical point of starting up, so I got their attention quickly and made it quite clear where the fraud occurred. It was either from someone on the inside at this operation who was a former 5Dimes employee or the merchant services provider they use. If they tell you everything is encrypted and secure, I can tell you firsthand, that is not!

I haven’t switched to them or begun to use them exclusively since they aren’t fully functional and since the credit card fraud occurred, so I have proceeded with caution. I hope this gives you all a little more insight than what you might have already heard or been told elsewhere. Good Luck!!!
Shill post of the year nominee
 

thefix

thefix

Joined
Feb 17, 2023
Messages
246
I disagree. A shill WOULD NOT be mentioning anything about credit card fraud at their book.
No one on Earth is writing a bible length review on a book, let alone a person with a brand new account on here. Half the posts on this forum are 1 sentence long. Reminded me of the AI created reviews you can find everywhere for recent Hollywood releases.
 

keithrichard

keithrichard

Joined
Feb 19, 2022
Messages
4,476
No one on Earth is writing a bible length review on a book, let alone a person with a brand new account on here. Half the posts on this forum are 1 sentence long. Reminded me of the AI created reviews you can find everywhere for recent Hollywood releases.
Maybe he is just one of those posters who is verbose in every post they make. Take djefferis for example. The man has never used a 1 sentence post yet.
Nothing wrong with that. We all have different styles. Then there are some posters who have a negative comment about every thread. Some are just happy happy all the time . We are all different.
 

ktpistons32

ktpistons32

Joined
May 8, 2022
Messages
23
Haven’t deposited but signed up and got a $25 freeplay 10x ro they claimed no deposit needed to cash out freeplay they also gave me 50 free spins in casino site seems legit. I asked if there was max cashout with $25 fp and lady said no but then I asked again and she said she’d email me back for sure… likely $250 max withdrawal but no deposit needed if anyone’s considering it id say sign up and don’t deposit just take little freebies. I saw a couple people posting about drivers license numbers and social security numbers I only had to enter last 4 of my social. One main red flag is live chat agent named Arya answered instantly every time i chatted in, and it was same agent for 15 hours straight..:. It’s either a bot or I guess someone works ungodly hours. Don’t wanna say it’s a bot but someone working 15 hours straight as a live chat agent is extremely rare. It’s also possible they use the same name for different agents to protect themselves. Guess we’ll see.
 
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