The great Cleveland baseball card heist of 2024

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djefferis

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Over 2 million in baseball cards stolen at Strongsville Hotel

So story hit the news in Cleveland a couple of days ago. IDK - but something truly smells fishy here.

For background - Strongsville has had one of the larger sports card and memorabilia shows in Ohio for some time. I can remember many years ago coming up here to Strongsville and going South to Sharonville. A lot of big name buyers would come through and wasn’t uncommon to see some pretty high end stuff being shown off - both publicly and privately.

Now what’s got me questioning the story is the story. Many of these cards were recently sold at auction - ungraded with a “guaranteed” grade - meaning that the auction house would have them graded and if for any reason the cards didn’t grade as promised - the sale was nullified.

So we are talking 54 cards or so - and they simply FedEx’d them to the hotel - where a rep from the grading service would complete grading and slab the cards. To me - that’s lunacy for that valuable of a “collection”. How much is a plane ticket to CLE ? A grand for first class ? It’s not like we are talking something so bulky it wouldn’t fit in a briefcase - and the chances of a lost/stolen package being shipped to a mid level hotel front desk and handled by a bunch of $12 an hour workers is just no where near the risk.

Jewelers for example regularly buy from diamond brokers - and it would be nothing for one of these guys to walk around with 4-5 million in gemstones. But they damn sure would never just box them up - FedEx to their hotel and ask the front desk to hold them until arrival.

The whole thing just seems funny - obviously - selling these cards would be near impossible on the open market - it would be like stealing a work of art. Unlike diamonds - you can’t break them down and sell. Then there’s the whole bit with no grading prior to sale. Most stuff is graded/slabbed before sale. Again - people who pay hundreds of thousands for stuff are funny - they don’t want promises - they want KNOWN authenticity/grading. Just seems far too convenient for the auction house here - oops - we lost the stuff…insurance owes a few million now.

Buyers are likely not out a cent - since the auction house was responsible for the product until the grading was completed (as condition of sale - product needed to meet a minimum grade). But guaranteed they held insurance on this stuff - and likely some serious investigation going on. Doubtful they will ever publicly say what they find - but would be interesting if they do. In the mean time - if someone offers you a ‘52 Mickey Mantle or a T-206 Wagner in mint condition - maybe, just maybe it’s real.
 

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Hate to get off subject on crime here since it is so fishy but...

The auction had insurance but how do they know the value of the cards if they weren't graded yet?
The grading can make/break a cards value, right?

I could see this happening....
Owner tells the insurance company you owe me for a grade 7 card - "Near Mint".
Insurance company won't want to pay that so they will say its only a 3 - "Very good".

How does this get resolved? Just curious.
 

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Hate to get off subject on crime here since it is so fishy but...

The auction had insurance but how do they know the value of the cards if they weren't graded yet?
The grading can make/break a cards value, right?

I could see this happening....
Owner tells the insurance company you owe me for a grade 7 card - "Near Mint".
Insurance company won't want to pay that so they will say its only a 3 - "Very good".

How does this get resolved? Just curious.
Probably in a lawsuit. Seems both messy and fishy. If I had a mint '52 Mantle there's no way I'd ship it anywhere.
 

djefferis

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Hate to get off subject on crime here since it is so fishy but...

The auction had insurance but how do they know the value of the cards if they weren't graded yet?
The grading can make/break a cards value, right?

I could see this happening....
Owner tells the insurance company you owe me for a grade 7 card - "Near Mint".
Insurance company won't want to pay that so they will say its only a 3 - "Very good".

How does this get resolved? Just curious.

Short answer - combination of the auction results and an agreement with the insurance company.

When your taking “one of a kinds” and rarities in the insurance world - your basically “gambling” as an underwriter - the difference of course is “gambling” involves a pure risk with an opportunity for a “reward” - while insurance is simply “indemnification” - you need to lose something to get the payout from insurance that returns you to your previous position financially.

For something like your house or car - it’s easy to determine value - they make plenty of the same car and just find a comparable used one to replace it - house - just build back same square footage/same grade of cabinets/flooring - ect.

But when you’re talking something unique - generally you tell insurance what its “value” is and the underwriter determines if it’s acceptable and the price to insure. Again the more exotic - the more research that goes into it. I mean - I’ve seen plenty of yachts, jewelry and heavy equipment submissions and they are surprisingly quick and thorough in how they accurately value this stuff.

This stuff though - it’s likely part of a Lloyd’s deal - and the overall operation insured by several different companies pooling the risk. One company probably wrote a policy of say 50 million - and that company in turn then retained like the first 500k-million and then sold off anything above that to a few other reinsurers or other companies via the Lloyd’s syndicate. Never dealt with stuff at this level but that’s my understanding of how it’s handled.

Cleatly the stuff is well documented - but where it shows up and when is anybody’s guess. And again - as the insurer I would be asking some serious WTF were you thinking sending this stuff FedEx questions (and making sure there is not an out in the policy to deny payment).

Ultimately- it likely shakes out that insurance pays whatever they agreed on prior to the policy issuance and retains rights to property. Insurers do absolutely maintain connections and if stuff pops up on the private market - “rewards for info” are made and stuff is recovered. Been more than a few cases of valuable art and artifacts recovered in Europe that had been stolen/looted by German soldiers between 1939-1944 (or American soldiers 1944-45). Someone walks into a gallery with a painting their grandparent had stashed in the attic and turns out to have been stolen / paid by an insurer to the museum/owner back in the 40s.

Again though - this stuff is not easy to resell. We will probably be reading about it 20-30 years ago being found in some Mexican drug lords mansion following a raid.
 

djefferis

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Yesterday I read an article about Maradona's Golden Ball trophy that was missing for a decade and is now up for auction. And now this news. How are they going to sell them if they have serial #? Unless you want to be caught.

Exactly - at least on the “open” market.

Something like that though has such an international appeal - plenty of markets for things like that amongst the mega rich who gained their fortunes via less than legal enterprises - especially in places like Russia/China and parts of the Middle East.

Crypto just makes it easier to find and fund a sale too - again, hardest part of making these deals is the currency aspect - ever try to scrounge up a million in non sequential $20 bills - not easy.
 
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