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djefferis

djefferis

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So obviously not been posting as much of late - partly due to taking a break from gambling and part from doing a few interviews for another job.

Anyway - had a strange experience with one of the places I was talking with. A smaller company - met with the CEO and President of the company and was directly asked about my involvement in “gambling activity” which they found on my background check.

Now we are not talking about offshore - but simply “gambling activity” including legal gaming. It of course will show up on most any background as I went to dealer school over a decade ago and was vetted and approved by the State to work in a casino (never actually took the job - but that’s another story). Anyway - they asked and I was honest about it - yes, I gained my license as a casino employee but decided it would be too much hassle working part time as a dealer while doing a full time job and yes - I have gambled legally in the past as a recreational activity.

The CEO (who is like 100) starts with the whole - “it’s un-Christian to gamble” and the President chimes in with I am being given a high level of financial responsibility and they need to be careful. I’m just like - your giving me no more access to financials than I have had in over a decade (probably less than I have now) - and any company has checks and balances on accounting. As far as the “Christian” aspect of things - a. That’s discriminatory and a big no-no to bring up in hiring someone and b. I don’t see it that way - nor do most religions - Christian or otherwise. Someone who occasionally gambles for recreation is no different than someone who occasionally drinks or participates in any other activity that is considered “immoral”.

Needless to say - we didn’t move forward with that job. Only pisses me off as they wasted a good bit of my time and a full day off for me and had me drive 8 hours round trip on my dime meeting them. Also - turned down another job knowing they were interested - but not convinced that was a great job either - so no loss.

Still - just amazing to me that anyplace would take issue with LEGAL gambling. Hell - even the casinos didn’t have a problem with me betting offshore years ago. Only hard and fast rules were no playing in the property you work at and no “side activity” on the property. You could play at a competitor or in a different city - just not there. It was actually my job at the time who had the issue with me doing it part time - only because they felt it was a bad look for me to be both full time public facing there and part time in a casino - made them look like they didn’t pay me enough - so they gave me a raise and I agreed to not do any other part time work.

Just weird to me that some people still act like gamblers are “dishonest” - at least any more than any other person. Like drug addicts/alcoholics/adulterers ect are LESS likely to steal from their employer…oh well - enough of that crap - I’ll stick it out at my present job for which I am excessively well paid at relative to what I do and keep on gambling (and posting).
 

djefferis

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For this, I say. Welcome back, DJ. :cheers:

The CEO's age tells a lot. Older generations can't just accept the new world and believe in the old way. I bet he also has issues with LGBT/same-sex marriage and many more.

I have no doubt my viewpoints on that would have been a source of conflict too. It’s funny - I actually damn near got tossed from a job before because one of our large clients had a very outdated view point on that - and insisted on voicing it about a mutual client. I simply told them they were entitled to their private opinion - but keep it quiet or I’m gonna start voicing some of my opinions about them - boss man didn’t like that - but fortunately couldn’t do anything as HR backed me (of course they wouldn’t do anything about the biggotted
client because they made us too damn much $$).

And sadly this person actually sat in the US Congress (single term) in Reagan’s first term. Kind of explains the mindset of some of the policies of the day - knowing idiots like this were making the rules. There’s a big difference to me being swept up in the dumbness of the day - and sticking with that stupidity today. Again - my personal vantage point is no single persons liberty exceeds another’s. Do what you want - and allow what others want so long as it doesn’t impede on your liberties. Who or what you think is yours to determine - but walking around imposing that belief on others is not a “right”.
 

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Man, you scared the hell out of me when you said, “… ‘gambling activity’ which they found on my background check.” I had DOJ background check and nothing came up but will have another one if I get promoted. But then I kept reading and saw you had a dealer license. Phew!


:+anxious-
 

BMR Genie

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I have no doubt my viewpoints on that would have been a source of conflict too. It’s funny - I actually damn near got tossed from a job before because one of our large clients had a very outdated view point on that - and insisted on voicing it about a mutual client. I simply told them they were entitled to their private opinion - but keep it quiet or I’m gonna start voicing some of my opinions about them - boss man didn’t like that - but fortunately couldn’t do anything as HR backed me (of course they wouldn’t do anything about the biggotted
client because they made us too damn much $$).

And sadly this person actually sat in the US Congress (single term) in Reagan’s first term. Kind of explains the mindset of some of the policies of the day - knowing idiots like this were making the rules. There’s a big difference to me being swept up in the dumbness of the day - and sticking with that stupidity today. Again - my personal vantage point is no single persons liberty exceeds another’s. Do what you want - and allow what others want so long as it doesn’t impede on your liberties. Who or what you think is yours to determine - but walking around imposing that belief on others is not a “right”.
The total opposite of democracy. I know somebody already mentioned this before but govt officials should have lower age limits so their beliefs shouldn't be a big factor in the decision making.
 
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djefferis

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Never ever hire a gambler if you know about it they’re bad business

By that logic:

- If I hold a Federal Firearms License - I’m likely too pull an armed robbery

- If I hold a medical weed card - I’m likely to be a drug addict

Again - if they come to me and say “We see your father is JJ Gold…” I get and and completely agree - there’s a connection to a known deadbeat and o wouldn’t want people like that at my company either…but we are talking a pretty big leap - from having held a gaming license to troubled gambler.

Then again maybe they saw the JJ connection in known associates and put one and one together.
 

Tanko

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Man, you scared the hell out of me when you said, “… ‘gambling activity’ which they found on my background check.” I had DOJ background check and nothing came up but will have another one if I get promoted. But then I kept reading and saw you had a dealer license. Phew!


:+anxious-
I kind of got a sick feeling as well until I read further.
:lmao:
 

Tanko

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So obviously not been posting as much of late - partly due to taking a break from gambling and part from doing a few interviews for another job.

Anyway - had a strange experience with one of the places I was talking with. A smaller company - met with the CEO and President of the company and was directly asked about my involvement in “gambling activity” which they found on my background check.

Now we are not talking about offshore - but simply “gambling activity” including legal gaming. It of course will show up on most any background as I went to dealer school over a decade ago and was vetted and approved by the State to work in a casino (never actually took the job - but that’s another story). Anyway - they asked and I was honest about it - yes, I gained my license as a casino employee but decided it would be too much hassle working part time as a dealer while doing a full time job and yes - I have gambled legally in the past as a recreational activity.

The CEO (who is like 100) starts with the whole - “it’s un-Christian to gamble” and the President chimes in with I am being given a high level of financial responsibility and they need to be careful. I’m just like - your giving me no more access to financials than I have had in over a decade (probably less than I have now) - and any company has checks and balances on accounting. As far as the “Christian” aspect of things - a. That’s discriminatory and a big no-no to bring up in hiring someone and b. I don’t see it that way - nor do most religions - Christian or otherwise. Someone who occasionally gambles for recreation is no different than someone who occasionally drinks or participates in any other activity that is considered “immoral”.

Needless to say - we didn’t move forward with that job. Only pisses me off as they wasted a good bit of my time and a full day off for me and had me drive 8 hours round trip on my dime meeting them. Also - turned down another job knowing they were interested - but not convinced that was a great job either - so no loss.

Still - just amazing to me that anyplace would take issue with LEGAL gambling. Hell - even the casinos didn’t have a problem with me betting offshore years ago. Only hard and fast rules were no playing in the property you work at and no “side activity” on the property. You could play at a competitor or in a different city - just not there. It was actually my job at the time who had the issue with me doing it part time - only because they felt it was a bad look for me to be both full time public facing there and part time in a casino - made them look like they didn’t pay me enough - so they gave me a raise and I agreed to not do any other part time work.

Just weird to me that some people still act like gamblers are “dishonest” - at least any more than any other person. Like drug addicts/alcoholics/adulterers ect are LESS likely to steal from their employer…oh well - enough of that crap - I’ll stick it out at my present job for which I am excessively well paid at relative to what I do and keep on gambling (and posting).
An amazing story Djefferies. Based on you description of the situation, even if they offered you the job, it might have been something to pass on since their views of the world are a so skewed IMO. Might have been tought to work with them long-term.
 

djefferis

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An amazing story Djefferies. Based on you description of the situation, even if they offered you the job, it might have been something to pass on since their views of the world are a so skewed IMO. Might have been tought to work with them long-term.

Absolutely - sucked because the person I would have worked for was good - but with management like that - pass.

Absolutely first thing I look at is “who will I be working for” - once they pass that - next is “who is their boss” - got burned before just focusing on my boss - have had some good ones - but the next in line were complete idiots and of course it all just rolls downhill.

Can tell a lot about a company quickly listening to management talk. Moment words like “unprofitable” got mentioned - I knew I was in the wrong place.
 

Tanko

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I'll relate one gambling story about work. It was off-line gambling (not at a sportsbook).

A group of guys at work had a Fantasy Football League. It had grown to 16 participants and the entry was $1500 each + $50 trades so the prizes were large. The commissioner kept track of everything on the corporate servers so that everyone could see trades, standings, payments, etc.... It was well hidden in the bowels of the computer system. This was a huge company (20k+ employees). I was a lowly engineer but we did have a division VP in the league, which was cool for networking and stuff.

Anyway, one day the CEO was having a meeting with the top 1% of the company (VPs on up) at corporate headquarters and is presenting business info, etc... and then at the end of the presentation, he shows a picture of our FFL standings and states, we will need to crack down on employee abuse of the computer systems. Our VP buddy, who was in the crowd, about s#it himself.

On the screen was our entire league and list of trades/etc....
Fortunately, most of us used pseudonyms for our team names but a couple did not.

The CEO then started critiquing some of the trades people had made in the league about how dumb they were and what they should have done instead... Apparently the CEO was a big FFL fan at some point.

That was the end of using the company server to communicate our league info.
No one was fired but it scared the hell out of us and we learned the CEO was a "player". :)
 

djefferis

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Tanko - good story. Yea - I can remember in my younger days guys and their fantasy leagues. Never really got into them too far - but office politics and fantasy sports don’t mix well in general - worse when it’s for “real” money. Someone loses - someone’s wife gets pissed and suddenly it’s a problem. Same deal with poker - it’s why I don’t play for any real amount of money with friends - you lose - your out money - you win - you’ve taken your friends money and half of them were already playing over there head = so felt compelled to give it back/loan it back knowing I’ll never be paid.

I just think it’s comical - these guys think having any involvement in a gambling enterprise is “taboo” - like legit companies don’t run casinos!?! I mean - if they got hold of some files on me - I’m sure they would find concerning connections - but standard background - nada.
 
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