Dispute complaint

snunes

New member
I am deactivating my message, to try to solve it internally and directly with the bookmaker, following their recommendations. Thanks for the space, BMR team.




28 MAY 2018:

What I understand, with all this, is only one thing:

The site creates bonuses with rollover absurdly giant (25 x bonus + profit), practically impossible to be fulfilled without losing everything, just as a form of marketing, to get new registrations

And, if by immense luck, some user can overcome that impossible rollover, the site for sure and will always invent something to not have to pay

That is, it is a marketing at no cost to the site. But that ends up deceiving honest people who believe in that, believe that they are really winning, are happy with that, spend days, weeks of their lives, playing and believing they are making a profit

This is basically what happened and probably happens on all sites with this type of promotion

It is unfortunate in my mind
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snunes

New member
I am deactivating my message, to try to solve it internally and directly with the bookmaker, following their recommendations. Thanks for the space, BMR team.
 
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BMR Admin

New member
This has been done. In the future it would be wise to take a breath before you post a thread title as you did.

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BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
Yobetit have been in contact with BMR and explained that the bonus was cancelled as it was the second time it had been taken and their terms say one per account.

We have asked Yobetit to look into the player's claim that the first bonus was cancelled and should not count.

They say they will and then get back to us.
 

snunes

New member
Please, Brad, you remove the name of bookmaker of your post, please

Then they required me to delete all my posts saying with this they will to resolve internally, fast and best solution? And after I to delete, they started reply the forums requests saying this you stated?! This sounds bad





I registered my account last year. I wins one bonus, but that was cancelled before the rollover to end, without any profit

Then in April of current year, I wins this new offer and had luck and profit



"The question was about a bonus that I won and for 2 months I played and had one small profit after rollover ends, without any claim of complaint from them, and I kept getting messages offering new promotions all weeks. Just last week when I decided to verify the account to withdraw only 5% of the balance, it was that they resolved to remove all the winnings that I honestly won. Only now, 2 months after, they try to claim that I was not eligible for that promotion (which does not currently exist for users, they removed last week). They think they're right, I think I'm right too.

I think that if I was not eligible, they should have informed me the same day I received that, or is first few days, not two months later. I just found a bonus code on forums where people said they were getting, earning and withdrawing earnings normally, as being for anyone. I typed the code into my account and received it. If I was not eligible, the code should not work or, if it worked, should have detected and removed quickly, and not let me playing for 2 months, all normally, increasing the gains each day, playing and believing I was actually making a profit"
 

BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
No I cannot delete the name.

I can write anything I like without fear if it is true. And so can you.

You have been told what to do. Explain to the MGA why the first bonus you took should not count as your one and only first deposit bonus.

Continuing to blather on about being threatened or blackmailed is just more fodder for them to use against you. As these are lies. A cease and desist demand is a quite normal thing if they think you are spreading falsehoods and trying to damage them unfairly. If you are not spreading falesehoods or trying to dmage them unfairly you have NOTHING IN THIS WORLD TO FEAR.

So simply don't imply or state they are doing anything they are not and you are fine.


And also, please stop complaining on this forum to smear Gobetit unless you have exhausted your legal options to appeal this decision with the MGA.

You do not have a clear case. You have a tenuous argument that needs to be tested by the proper legal authority. The MGA.


And as you have been told directly, we are awaiting a response from Yobetit about why they think you have taken your one and only free bonus. It would be appreciated if you give them enough time to respond. Which may not happen until after the weekend now.
 

BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
I registered my account last year. I wins one bonus, but that was cancelled before the rollover to end, without any profit

What exactly do you mean by cancelled?

Did the book void it for some reason? Or do you mean that you bet it all and lost without a profit?
 

snunes

New member
What exactly do you mean by cancelled?

Did the book void it for some reason? Or do you mean that you bet it all and lost without a profit?


Hi Brad, Admin and all BMR users, good morning

Firstly, thanks for your help and support in to be dealing with me and with the bookmaker.
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That first offer of last year was cancelled for me manually in member area (if I not done this, the system would done automatically alone after one time, I think) because I done only less than 7% of rollover necessary and resolved not to end that, without do more bets

The terms and rules states only 1 promotion for customer at time, and never to use 1 same promotion more than 1x, of course. This first offer of last year are full different of this other offer I receive in April of current year

I will to explain:

The terms and rules allow the person to have only one bonus at a time. And you can not get the same bonus more than once. This happens on all sites. The bonus I won last year was canceled / expired because I performed less than 10% of the rollover needed to do so, the system automatically cancels after one time or the user alone can cancel it. But this bonus has nothing relation with the bonus I won in April this year

This site weekly offers many freebet reload, deposit offers, and constantly by what I understand it also offers freebet promotions without deposit (for example, 2 months ago they sent emails to me - and probably to all users - a BET2 code promotion without deposit also, and that I did not use). They always have many offers, with and without deposit. You can not just use one - the same bonus code - more than once, or use two at the same time. These are the terms

None of this I did. The promotion I used in April and made a profit is totally different from the promotion I used last year. Different values, different rollovers (the first are to place bonus + profit 10 times, and the second are bonus + profit 25 or 35 times). Other code bonus, other amount, other requirements, other name and offer, other terms and rules, all different, similar are all offers no deposit and with deposit offered weekly / monthly etc etc etc, nothing they repeat, all changes always

I think the reason for all this is a failure of communication, of support. Or failure of system, which allowed the code to work for me - and probably for thousands of other people in the world who use forums to view news of promotions, and 3 different forums publicized these promotions, stating the terms to use: only 1x a same promotion code and obviously do not use two different promotions at the same time

So the first promotion I needed to let cancel or expire, so I could try to use this second. That's what I did. I tried to write the code for this other different promotion in April to see if I was eligible, because under the terms I did not say anything about who received the first promotion (fully different of this other) could not use that one, so I decided to try to see if I was eligible as well all people else would do the same

And I wrote that code, and it worked. I was happy and started playing with her, made hundreds, maybe thousands of bets, tried to win that almost impossible rollover. And I got after a lot of fighting, a small profit of approximately 300.00. I decided not to withdraw

I wanted to keep playing, so after lots of betting, I had 4391.00. I went to send my documents this start week to withdraw 120.00, and started all these problems, first they said that I selected wrong the gender in the register, in form registration - I believed I not wrong, but then they updated, and then when I logged in account again they had removed the all winnings claiming that I could not have received that 2 months ago

If support communication failure occurred, if it was system failure, if it was incomplete terms and rules or not cleary or confused, or any other reason, I think it's not my fault. And even if any of these reasons happened, I believe the site should have informed me the same day or the first few days that I was playing with it. And not nearly 2 months later, only for the user to have made some good profit

This is what happened, in detail. I sent messages to them, they answered the same, I said that I wanted to speak with a supervisor by telephone, they did not accept it, they said that they did not have telephone support, I insisted, I said that I wanted to solve the problem, until I started to be ignored, I sent several messages and no response. Until I decided that if I continued to be ignored, my last choice would be to post the case on review sites and forums, like this one. Again I was ignored and decided to publish, and they did not like it, even requiring me to stop and erase the messages, which only after that would try "a fast and best resolution to this" (they used the same words) until sending the letter legal saying they would send it to the MGA and to polices authorities

I've decided to edit posts, remove their names, and too delete all posts, believing their words. Tell this to them, that I have done all that you have asked for. And they do not answer me any more, the support only sends me to the lawyer who sent the legal letter, and this lawyer only responds saying that their position is in the legal letter, and nothing more

I would really like to resolve this in the best way for both parties. I honestly won the approximately 300 with the end of the giant rollover, and I decided to keep playing and I won more. I believe they would also like to resolve, as I wish to continue playing there, and I think they also wish it. That's why I asked for help here in dispute complaint internally with BMR and too MGA
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BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
That first offer of last year was cancelled for me manually in member area (if I not done this, the system would done automatically alone after one time, I think) because I done only less than 7% of rollover necessary and resolved not to end that, without do more bets

The terms and rules states only 1 promotion for customer at time, and never to use 1 same promotion more than 1x, of course.

Can you please supply a copy of these terms you are talking about here? Or a link?
 

snunes

New member
Can you please supply a copy of these terms you are talking about here? Or a link?

I have not more the terms, this first offer was last year. I only remember the main points, all are similar all ofers of all bookmakers, as this two above I wrote. They already removed all of site

This bookmaker do a lot offers, temporaly, reload, weekly, monthly, with deposit and no deposit

The other offer, this I claimed in April and had this profit of this issue problem, too already not exist more

They constantly create/edit/end offers for customers

Always, of course, being clear:

- Nobody can to use the same offer more than 1x (all offer only can to be claimed 1x)
- Nobody can to use more than 1 offer (differents offers) in same moment
 

BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
I have not more the terms,

I understand this is a lot of money but you need to be realistic now.

Their current terms say that only one no-deposit bonus can be used per account.

Even though you cancelled it, you made bets with it and have therefore have taken one no-deposit bonus before.

Although you could be right about your memory of how their terms worked, without any sort of documentation of it we have no choice but to accept the book saying you are incorrect in thinking it was ever different.

If they had offered you this bonus personally as an account holder already, you might have better grounds for an argument.

And lastly, whilst they should have a better system that assigns codes to accounts directly and I do understand it is disappointing to see it activated, there is no legal angle I can think of that would over ride their terms that only one no-deposit bonus will be honoured per account.



I am sorry to say that you do not have a valid case against the book that BMR can pursue any further.

If you do not agree with this decision I suggest you take it up with their regulator, The Malta Gaming Authority, or seek private legal advice.
 

snunes

New member
Their current terms say that only one no-deposit bonus can be used per account.


They do not work with bonuses without deposit, practically since when this whole problem began. Was it coincidence? I do not believe. They know they are wrong.

So if you're reading bonus terms without deposit, those terms either do not exist or did not exist or can be edited for you to believe they are right. As I told you, they constantly offer bonuses without deposit and bonuses with deposit, occasionally. So you do not say and do not believe that only one customer can use a bonus without deposit, even different, as is the case. If they themselves offer bonuses without deposit occasionally and when they want, then yours customers can yes to claim more than one (only if differents, of course, and not in same moment more than 1)

I think I'm right, yes. I will continue to believe this. Otherwise, they would have come here and in the other forums from the first day I published the case. Likewise, they would not be ignoring the admins of the forums that tried to contact them. From what I understand, they answered you last week, just at the beginning of everything, and I believe they are ignoring you too in the last days

But it's ok. I'll wait for the MGA. I will delete my posts here, today at the end of the day, that make reference to them. And, if you can and agree, make this topic deleted or hidden until MGA returns my messages. And, thank you in advance for your help
 

snunes

New member
What I understand, with all this, is only one thing:

The site creates bonuses with rollover absurdly giant (25 x bonus + profit), practically impossible to be fulfilled without losing everything, just as a form of marketing, to get new registrations

And, if by immense luck, some user can overcome that impossible rollover, the site for sure and will always invent something to not have to pay

That is, it is a marketing at no cost to the site. But that ends up deceiving honest people who believe in that, believe that they are really winning, are happy with that, spend days, weeks of their lives, playing and believing they are making a profit

This is basically what happened and probably happens on all sites with this type of promotion

It is unfortunate in my mind
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BMR_Brad

Moderator
Staff member
What I understand, with all this, is only one thing:

The site creates bonuses without deposit, with rollover absurdly giant (25 x bonus + profit), practically impossible to be fulfilled without losing everything, just as a form of marketing, to get new registrations

And, if by immense luck, some user can overcome that impossible rollover, the site for sure and will always invent something to not have to pay

That is, it is a marketing at no cost to the site. But that ends up deceiving honest people who believe in that, believe that they are really winning, are happy with that, spend days, weeks of their lives, playing and believing they are making a profit

This is basically what happened and probably happens on all sites with this type of promotion

It is unfortunate in my mind
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A no-deposit bonus is designed to allow you to test the book functionality and if it offers what you want. None of them are easy to rollover.

And if Yobetit does not pay out on these offers, why doesn't the bonus hunter forum you found the code on tell you that? And why have we seen no other complaints about the practice?

Did you ask the other forum for help btw? Being the ones that told you about the offer?
 

snunes

New member
Of course, if I resolved to claim and test the code, I done this after to read other users to say they claimed, received and done withdraws normally. But with amounts small

I think my failure was to have continued playing. If I try to withdraw while had only 300 aproximatelly, after the rollover, they had paid
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But I was stupid or innocent, amateur, and continued playing, as I was likeing of bookmaker, good odds, various options of bets, good live in basketball and voleyball games

I think all this incovenience was caused only for the amount, for the balance, and nothing more than this
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